More Blizzard stupidity

[Zavon]

http://www.kotaku.com/5920234/if-you-buy-diablo-iii-online-you-may-have-to-wait-72-hours-to-play-the-whole-game

If you haven't bought diablo 3, dont do it now.

[VKhaun]

Blatant anti-D3 propaganda from haters. I really REALLY don't like being the one playing devil's advocate for Blizzard, but this is really a stupid spiteful attack of an article.


Quote from the sticky the article is based on:

Note: Most Diablo III Starter Edition restrictions will remain in place until payment verification is fully complete. This may take up to 72 hours.

Judging by the AH verification of real money auctions I've sold, this is more like ~20min.






First comment says it all.

The real reason is because of gold farmers abusing credit card fraud creating 100s of accounts to farm gold without paying a cent. Not stupid DRM bs.

But they're not going to admit it of course.

[Zavon]

Wait, its possible im missing something crucial here, but what does you buying stuff onthe AH have to do with new people purcasing D3 having to wait 3 days to play the full game?

[Sillywilly]

Wait, its possible im missing something crucial here, but what does you buying stuff onthe AH have to do with new people purcasing D3 having to wait 3 days to play the full game?

I don't think he understood what the article was talking about.

Blizzard has started doing this with digital copies of WoW as well. Awhile back I wasn't actively playing any MMOs and was doing a trial in WoW with a friend. I picked up a special deal online for WoW from the Blizzard website. It was the original WoW and BC for like 15 bucks or something. Anyway it was 3 days or more after I activated the key code that I was granted full access to the game. They are intentionaly delaying the activation of accounts (in this case the ability to play at all) as some kind of counter to gold farmers and cheaters/hackers. I contacted Blizzard support when I couldn't use in game mail 24 hours after activating my key and was told as much.

It's a completely fucking stupid tactic.

[Zavon]

It totally IS. How much punishment does the consumer have to take for the cheaters?

[VKhaun]

I did understand the article.
You didn't understand what I quoted

http://us.battle.net/support/en/arti...ion-guest-pass

Bottom of the page. My quote from the first post. They do not restrict people by three days. They don't let you in until the payment for the game is verified. I mentioned the RMAH because it verifies payment after every transaction. It does not take three days for Blizzard to verify a payment. They are just covering their own ass for unusual cases by mentioning that it can take a while.

(This is from JUNE btw... plenty of people have bought and played D3 without even knowing about this because it verifies faster than they can install)

[Sillywilly]

I did understand the article.
You didn't understand what I quoted

http://us.battle.net/support/en/arti...ion-guest-pass

Bottom of the page. My quote from the first post. They do not restrict people by three days. They don't let you in until the payment for the game is verified. I mentioned the RMAH because it verifies payment after every transaction. It does not take three days for Blizzard to verify a payment. They are just covering their own ass for unusual cases by mentioning that it can take a while.

(This is from JUNE btw... plenty of people have bought and played D3 without even knowing about this because it verifies faster than they can install)

Yeah that's pertaining to payment clearance which I would have guessed is the same for any online digital purchase.

But what I was refering to this:

Outside of the issue that we fixed, digital purchases do require a review period before they kick over from Starter to Full editions. We apologize for the inconvenience, but it is a necessary step to combat fraud and other malicious activities that can weaken everyone's play experience.

The delay is no longer than three days, and is often much quicker than that. Hang tight.


Which is exactly what I experienced with WoW. And it took right up to the end of the 3rd day.

This may have been going on since the start lol, I don't know. It took me 2 weeks to get to level 15 because of that annoying ass error so I wouldn't have known the difference between starter and full.

[Zavon]

So, then you are asserting that the article is lying or exaggerating?

What about the response to the article from blizz?

[Valec]

Blizzard is backpedaling so hard. Don't you fucking defend them, VK. Don't believe what they say, either. It doesn't take anybody else 3 days to 'verify' your credit card, it doesn't take Blizzard that long either.

It's an entirely unnecessary delay and I doubt it has done anything to catch/slow down gold sellers.

[VKhaun]

I know it's been a while but did people forget that I always defend the bad guys?

If, since June, no one on D3 even knows about this but it's stopping spammers from getting free CDKeys then why is this bad?

I'm asserting that the article is blatant anti-blizz propaganda. Usually those words are used as hyperbole but take a minute to consider their meaning. They have intentionally cut out the part about verification of payment and worded it to look like Blizz just makes everyone wait arbitrarily. They even had to EDIT the post to put in the part about fraud and originally made shit up about server load. The author is spreading disinformation to get views by putting up a new kind of Blizz hate.

Can't comment on SillyWilly/WoW.
Don't know anything about that.

[VKhaun]

Wait. I'm retarded.
It's only June 22nd now.
I'm thinking it's July.

Have to wait and see how many this affects.
Sorry.

[Taolas]

I don't mind them doing things like that to combat fraud and spammers. But then again I'm not interested in playing D3 either, so my opinion doesn't amount to much.

[Marou]

The RMAH is an awesome vehicle for real world money laundering. I'll be interested in seeing what happens and whether they end up getting put under something like Sarbanes Oxley a few years from now.

[Graveworm]

The Blizzard response makes it clear that the restriction on content access was unintentional. The only intended restrictions are the basic chat and trading restrictions we are used to from WoW, so I don't understand why everyone is up in arms. If you don't understand how this minor inconvenience to a legitimate customer combats fraudulent purchases, than I don't know what to tell you. Also, Kotaku is a pile of shit and every article I've ever been linked to from that website is drama queen bullshit.

P.S. For clarification, these are the actual, intended restrictions on new accounts:

No public game access for unverified digital purchasers

· No auction house access (real-money or gold) for unverified digital purchasers
· Unverified digital purchasers cannot trade items or drop items for other players to receive
· Unverified digital purchasers are not able to chat in any public or game channels
· Unverified digital purchasers cannot attach a custom message to friend requests, but they can send/accept friend requests, and play with their friends
· Global Play is not available for unverified digital purchasers

Explain how dealing with this for three days at most is an unacceptable inconvenience to you.

[VKhaun]

I'm pretty sure there are established methods of money laundering that don't take a 15% cut of your money when you withdraw it.

Like what?...
Because my guy takes 30% and I have to pay him for the cigarette boat fuel, and accept all liability if the coast guard shoots and sinks one. At the same time though, I can't actually VERIFY that they did. I have no way of knowing if I'm getting ripped off even harder than thirty percent. You can't just walk into a coast guard office and be like... hey...

"Did you guys shoot up a cigarette boat off the coast the other night?"
"It was white with Jessica Rabbit on the side in a Bikini."

I guess it doesn't matter. Either Uncle Sam or "Dr." Javier are getting it and either way I lost it.

[Valec]

I'm pretty sure there are established methods of money laundering that don't take a 15% cut of your money when you withdraw it.

Like what?

that.

[Marou]

The Blizzard response makes it clear that the restriction on content access was unintentional. The only intended restrictions are the basic chat and trading restrictions we are used to from WoW, so I don't understand why everyone is up in arms. If you don't understand how this minor inconvenience to a legitimate customer combats fraudulent purchases, than I don't know what to tell you. Also, Kotaku is a pile of shit and every article I've ever been linked to from that website is drama queen bullshit.

P.S. For clarification, these are the actual, intended restrictions on new accounts:

No public game access for unverified digital purchasers

· No auction house access (real-money or gold) for unverified digital purchasers
· Unverified digital purchasers cannot trade items or drop items for other players to receive
· Unverified digital purchasers are not able to chat in any public or game channels
· Unverified digital purchasers cannot attach a custom message to friend requests, but they can send/accept friend requests, and play with their friends
· Global Play is not available for unverified digital purchasers

Explain how dealing with this for three days at most is an unacceptable inconvenience to you.



I'm pretty sure there are established methods of money laundering that don't take a 15% cut of your money when you withdraw it.

Not for carders. Anything over 20-30 bucks a card is a pretty nice turnaround.

[Graveworm]

Fair enough, I'll admit I am grossly under-informed when it comes to money laundering. That was just a tangential comment, though. So if anyone would like to address the on-topic portion of my post, that would be cool.

[Valec]

Fair enough, I'll admit I am grossly under-informed when it comes to money laundering. That was just a tangential comment, though. So if anyone would like to address the on-topic portion of my post, that would be cool.

I'm more interesting in discussing this thing you aren't informed enough on to properly argue.

I am still curious on what planet it takes 3 days to 'verify' a credit card. Or more than 20 seconds, for that matter. This will do nothing to combat fraud.

[VKhaun]

I'm more interesting in discussing this thing you aren't informed enough on to properly argue.

I am still curious on what planet it takes 3 days to 'verify' a credit card. Or more than 20 seconds, for that matter. This will do nothing to combat fraud.

You answered your own question. Fraud means Blizzard never gets paid and they can spam for free. By making it so people who never complete the process can't chat, they prevent fraudulent CDKeys from doing anything those people are trying to do like spam for gold websites. Now they have to obey the rules and pay $50/ban to spam D3.

[Valec]

You answered your own question. Fraud means Blizzard never gets paid and they can spam for free. By making it so people who never complete the process can't chat, they prevent fraudulent CDKeys from doing anything those people are trying to do like spam for gold websites. Now they have to obey the rules and pay $50/ban to spam D3.

How did I answer my own question? Nothing there explains why it would take more than 20 minutes.

[Graveworm]

I'm more interesting in discussing this thing you aren't informed enough on to properly argue.

I'm not even arguing about the money laundering, I conceded the argument trusting that you all know more about it than me. Now all you are doing is using it as a means of avoiding my response to the actual thread topic, because you know I'm right.