Freaking Destiny 2

[Sillywilly]

It keeps trying to get me to bite. I have a few question if anyone knows.

1. Will this be played on a secure server?
2. Is it actually an MMORPG? Or is it instanced play like the first one with a couple of random strangers showing up in the same instance?
3. Is it buy to play or will it have a sub of some kind?

[VKhaun]

1) IIRC there were articles about the PC version NOT having dedicated servers. Also it's aim helper for consoles was getting a lot of negative feedback during the beta/demo on PC for being too helpful to players in PvP. I don't think getting it on PC for PvP is a good idea. PvE worked flawlessly for me during the beta/demo though.

2) No. It the same as The Division AFAIK. Some open world bits and random matchmaking but not really MMO. It gets compared because it has e MMORPG features like raids, events, boss mechanics, loot tiers, etc.

3) Buy, but they're already planning expansions and DLC's that will cost money and selling "season pass" deals. It's a wallet grabber.

[Sillywilly]

1) IIRC there were articles about the PC version NOT having dedicated servers. Also it's aim helper for consoles was getting a lot of negative feedback during the beta/demo on PC for being too helpful to players in PvP. I don't think getting it on PC for PvP is a good idea. PvE worked flawlessly for me during the beta/demo though.

2) No. It the same as The Division AFAIK. Some open world bits and random matchmaking but not really MMO. It gets compared because it has e MMORPG features like raids, events, boss mechanics, loot tiers, etc.

3) Buy, but they're already planning expansions and DLC's that will cost money and selling "season pass" deals. It's a wallet grabber.

Ahhh ok. Well I think you talked me out of it lol. I don't touch shit that doesn't have secure servers with a ten foot pole.

[VKhaun]

Ahhh ok. Well I think you talked me out of it lol. I don't touch shit that doesn't have secure servers with a ten foot pole.

You have consoles though right? You can get it on consoles right now.

[VKhaun]

Anyone playing this on PC? I binged through the single player stuff to hit 20/200 but when I got to the other side it still feels like single player. No one says anything in the strikes, can't even tell if the chat works. There doesn't seem to be any public chat at all in the open areas/ Even though there are people around there's no way to talk to the area unless I pick one person and whisper. :/

[Pyrrhus]

VK, see this is what I think a lot of PC gamers aren't going to understand about Destiny coming from Destiny 1. The game is more akin to Diablo 2/3 than any 'real' MMORPG. Yes D2/3 has actual chat, but it only worked if you were in a game with other people. The main experience of Destiny is solo-grinding and solo-PvP, unless you've already got some community to play with.

There are whole websites dedicated just to Destiny LFG posts/recruitment because the game does not take any initiative to help build a community. There were some improvements in Destiny2 such as Clans and the other thing I cant remember that's supposed to be a type of mentoring system for group content.

But yea, unless you already have a group to play with, or are very active in finding one to play with, it's going to feel like a lot of solo play with a sprinkling of groups.

[Zavon]

VK, see this is what I think a lot of PC gamers aren't going to understand about Destiny coming from Destiny 1. The game is more akin to Diablo 2/3 than any 'real' MMORPG. Yes D2/3 has actual chat, but it only worked if you were in a game with other people. The main experience of Destiny is solo-grinding and solo-PvP, unless you've already got some community to play with.

There are whole websites dedicated just to Destiny LFG posts/recruitment because the game does not take any initiative to help build a community. There were some improvements in Destiny2 such as Clans and the other thing I cant remember that's supposed to be a type of mentoring system for group content.

But yea, unless you already have a group to play with, or are very active in finding one to play with, it's going to feel like a lot of solo play with a sprinkling of groups.

I don't know anything about the Destiny games, but in the modern world of MMOs... That just sounds really dumb. Especially for a shooter game.

[Pyrrhus]

I don't know anything about the Destiny games, but in the modern world of MMOs... That just sounds really dumb. Especially for a shooter game.

It's an instanced based shooter like Warframe, but with all the chats/community information offloaded from the game itself. Aka, its entire multiplayer is designed for consoles in mind and they did nothing to change that with the PC release.

[VKhaun]

It's an instanced based shooter like Warframe, but with all the chats/community information offloaded from the game itself. Aka, its entire multiplayer is designed for consoles in mind and they did nothing to change that with the PC release.

Speaking of, I was pleasantly surprised to find that not only could my third weapon be a freaking BAMF sword that took me to third person camera, but I could bind a "swap weapons" button that now works exactly like Warframe. Tapping swaps my first and third weapon, holding switches to my third. <3

I think I was vaguely aware of melee weapons from talking to KGB IRL but I had no idea they were this good. I enjoyed the shotguns leveling up but it was a pain to reload them all the time because 15-16 shells didn't last and they always got put away empty. The sword just stores the ammo so I don't really have to think about it. I think at one point I had a shotgun that reloaded itself while away but it wasn't the boomstick high damage type I wanted.

[Pyrrhus]

Swords are really nice, but their ammo tends to lack pretty heavily.

The game really does a decent job of making 'Exotic' (legendary?) items have unique stats and enable play-styles.

[Zavon]

A youtuber I watch a lot (MFPallytime, some of you might know him) did a "first thoughts" of this game. I thought you guys would find it relevant. He talks about some of the stuff you guys mentioned:

[VKhaun]

He's dead on about vs Warframe. The scaling in Destiny is luxurious. The whole game just feels great at every level and is always interesting to play. I love that I can build for effectiveness and still meet a challenge.

Unfortunately Destiny narrows really hard when you hit a certain gear level (265 IIRC?). Suddenly nothing drops anywhere except for dailies, PvP and raids.

[Zavon]

At this point, I've made enough gold in WoW to buy Destiny 2. Does anyone have a low end/older machine that they are playing it on? I'm wondering if I can even run it.

[trol]

I played the beta on an oldish PC. 8GB DDR3, NVIDIA 470, AMD Phenom II x4 Deneb Black. I bought it on Xbox though because everyone I game with is on Xbox now.

My thoughts: Destiny 2 is not a sequel. It is just a continuation of Destiny 1. They recycled almost everything. I played for about a month and maxed out three characters. With really nothing else to do, I won't be playing until the first DLC releases in December. Honestly, if I hadn't bought the $100 version that includes the first two DLCs, I probably would not return at all.

[Zavon]

I played the beta on an oldish PC. 8GB DDR3, NVIDIA 470, AMD Phenom II x4 Deneb Black. I bought it on Xbox though because everyone I game with is on Xbox now.

My thoughts: Destiny 2 is not a sequel. It is just a continuation of Destiny 1. They recycled almost everything. I played for about a month and maxed out three characters. With really nothing else to do, I won't be playing until the first DLC releases in December. Honestly, if I hadn't bought the $100 version that includes the first two DLCs, I probably would not return at all.

Thanks for letting me know. 60 dollars is too much to burn out on after a few weeks.

[VKhaun]

I'm having a blast, but it's like Warframe all over again. A lot of people are saying they're getting bored with it or going nutts over PvP as the RPG runs out for them. Meanwhile I've got all my characters to "max level" or 265-270, where you stop getting better gear except from a few specific places like the raid and weekly thing. This hasn't hurt my desire to play at all. I'm having a blast with the basic gameplay so collecting more 265 stuff fine with me, just like happened with Warframe.

[trol]

Max Power Level is 305. Once you hit 270ish, only certain weekly rewards and Exotics can raise your level.

[Pyrrhus]

Max Power Level is 305. Once you hit 270ish, only certain weekly rewards and Exotics can raise your level.

Interestingly enough if you save enough legendary shards or w/e it is called you can just buy as many Exotics as you can each week and it will slowly raise your 'light level drop level'.

[Zavon]

I thott about picking this up again, but I don't have enough ram on my video card to run it.

[VKhaun]

Interestingly enough if you save enough legendary shards or w/e it is called you can just buy as many Exotics as you can each week and it will slowly raise your 'light level drop level'.

Yeah I'm seeing this effect. I thought the object was going to be to get legendary mods with +5LL in all my gear, but quests, exotic engrams and daily "powerful gear" sometimes gave me stuff 10-15 levels up plus some had legendary mods in them. This raised my average and now blues are higher than 265 for all my characters, allowing me to continue to inch upwards.

[Boother]

Is anyone going to check out Curse of Osiris? It's supposed to increase the light cap by 50 or something like that.

[VKhaun]

Is anyone going to check out Curse of Osiris? It's supposed to increase the light cap by 50 or something like that.

I'm playing it still.

Curse of Osiris was a bit of a letdown. The new areas are pretty but they're small and there are no bosses. The boss of the story is one of those "kill tons of adds, then press buttons, repeat" kinda fights. Penoptes just sorta floats around in the back looking like an art student got bored in geometry class. Same thing with the strike where at the end it's just a big Cabal guy with quake and HP gates. You hit him for 33% in like five seconds, he runs, you fight tons of adds while lasers move around. Repeat. No new enemies that I noticed, the story is that there's a Vex "reality simulation engine" which is just a giant excuse to recycle existing content as it "simulates" the other factions.

A lot of the new items are nice though.

[Aeinna]

I think i'm being an idiot with Destiny. Like, how does this work? I did the intro story shit and another story bit but then I got shunted to an open player world and the players around me were level 25 and the monters there were way too high level for my level 2, everytime I shot an enemy, I expected my gun to make a squeaky toy noise with how little damage I was doing.

On the plus side, it is beautiful and runs better than any console game I think I have ever played.

[VKhaun]

I think i'm being an idiot with Destiny. Like, how does this work? I did the intro story shit and another story bit but then I got shunted to an open player world and the players around me were level 25 and the monters there were way too high level for my level 2, everytime I shot an enemy, I expected my gun to make a squeaky toy noise with how little damage I was doing.

On the plus side, it is beautiful and runs better than any console game I think I have ever played.

The scaling makes levels totally irrelevant for offense. Higher tier armor has more stats (mobility/resistance/recovery) though and that's really noticeable.

Just have to manage your "light level", or gear score. Keep putting on the highest you have for each slot. One thing can get a little behind but if your guns are way below your average that's when you get the toy gun situation.

Also, use gun #2 or #3 to shoot anything with a shield. Don't worry about element. The elements just do extra stuff when popping shields of the same color, they don't actually do more damage to the target. Kinetic (gun #1) gets a damage reduction shooting the shield.

[Aeinna]

I was using the guns I had. I didn't have any other choice, as there was no weapon shop that I saw. Levels count a lot too mang, that level 25 was one shotting mobs. Do I have to play with other people? This feels like a fantastic FPS, why they gots to ruin it with randumbs?

Oh and, WTF to these female hair choices? This is the first time I've made a bald character cause it looks better than anything else I could have picked.