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    When I saw that a new western Mini-Series was coming out on Netflix, staring Jeff Daniels, I got excited. Not just because I love westerns, but also because the story looked to offer something new in it's iteration. The premise is this: A small mining town had an accident causing nearly all the men in town to die. The area is rife with outlaws and lawlessness, and when evil comes knocking at the door of the town it's a toss up in the air has to how they will all survive.

    As awesome as I thought this show was going to be, it turned out to be an absolute textbook exercise in Hollywood leftist PC culture propaganda. I only made it halfway through the series, but here are the highlights off the top of my head:

    --Wise Indian's everywhere. I'm so fucking sick of this stereotype. If all Indian's knew medicine magic they wouldn't have gotten wiped the fuck out. If all Indian's were wise and patient, having insight to the "Aura" of all the people around them, they wouldn't have gotten wiped the fuck out. This show is rife with this stereotype, having a main character and multiple other side characters all being to "see the unseen world" that stupid silly whites can't see.

    --Interracial Shit. The main female protagonist has an Indian half-breed child. No one seems to bat an eye at this, and act like it's perfectly normal that a white women had been married to an Indian. Further, the sheriff deputy happens to be in love with a black girl that just so happens to exist in a small black village right outside the town.

    --The Noble Black mans. A group of blacks that just want to be "left alone and don't need white troubles" conveniently live right outside the town. Also, it turns out that they are all retired Buffalo Soldiers that fight better than "any white man".

    --The Evil Christian. The main bad guy, that rapes and loots and murders children is a Christian. He likes to preach all hypocritical like whilst he is doing is evil.

    --A lesbian that can do literally everything a man can. She even shacks up with the hottest girl in town. She's tired of living her life "defined by everyone's expectations".

    --"Women dont' need no man". The women in the town want to cut a deal with a mining company so that men will return, and they are all portrayed as "weak" for this desire. There is always this leftist fantasy that the sexes are somehow equal, instead of interdependent on each other.



    I don't know why I expected otherwise from Netflix. But I thought I'd make a post about this because it is one of the most blatant attempts at propaganda I've seen in a while.
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    Back in the day we read Robert Heinlein books that had a strong conservative message that was pro-traditional family and pro-military and such and somehow when we read it we simply enjoyed the story (or didn't) and then went off and read something else (or watched something else, as the case may be).

    Today, however, we have you, Zavon, who is such a delicate flower that you have to cry like a little child with a wet diaper every time something comes along that triggers your sensitive nature and thus you weep and cry and complain constantly and endlessly.

    I have read things that are left leaning and right leaning, I read authors from other periods of history that held opinions that are dated and in some cases unpleasant, but I never feel the need to run around whining in a loud voice about how offended I am (if, in fact, I am offended at all).

    You, and your ilk, are no different than those idiot college students I read about who whine about trigger words and need safe spaces to hide from the world in case they perceive something that might ruffle their feathers.

    At one time that I personally recall most of the available entertainment supported your political ideology. Now it doesn't. Deal with it or whine like a little child, but bear in mind that no one cares.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Mars View Post
    Back in the day we read Robert Heinlein books that had a strong conservative message that was pro-traditional family and pro-military and such and somehow when we read it we simply enjoyed the story (or didn't) and then went off and read something else (or watched something else, as the case may be).

    Today, however, we have you, Zavon, who is such a delicate flower that you have to cry like a little child with a wet diaper every time something comes along that triggers your sensitive nature and thus you weep and cry and complain constantly and endlessly.

    I have read things that are left leaning and right leaning, I read authors from other periods of history that held opinions that are dated and in some cases unpleasant, but I never feel the need to run around whining in a loud voice about how offended I am (if, in fact, I am offended at all).

    You, and your ilk, are no different than those idiot college students I read about who whine about trigger words and need safe spaces to hide from the world in case they perceive something that might ruffle their feathers.

    At one time that I personally recall most of the available entertainment supported your political ideology. Now it doesn't. Deal with it or whine like a little child, but bear in mind that no one cares.
    False Dichotomy broseph. I don't want any political message left leaning or right. I just want a good story, not some hard handed message underlying everything.

    Ironically, the only one here that looks triggered is you, acting like a huge faggot as usual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zavon View Post
    False Dichotomy broseph. I don't want any political message left leaning or right. I just want a good story, not some hard handed message underlying everything.

    Ironically, the only one here that looks triggered is you, acting like a huge faggot as usual.
    A good example of heavy handed ideology breaking something is the Wizard's Rule series by Terry Goodkind. Starts off good enough, but goes so deep into trying to be "Atlas Shrugged" by several books in that it ceases to be tolerable. It's not necessarily that things pushing their author's world view are "bad". There is a certain lack of self-awareness involved in work ruined by it, like the author is unaware they are being ridiculous.

    Heinlein was mentioned, but his works had that self-awareness that too many other pieces of tainted literature don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marou View Post
    A good example of heavy handed ideology breaking something is the Wizard's Rule series by Terry Goodkind. Starts off good enough, but goes so deep into trying to be "Atlas Shrugged" by several books in that it ceases to be tolerable. It's not necessarily that things pushing their author's world view are "bad". There is a certain lack of self-awareness involved in work ruined by it, like the author is unaware they are being ridiculous.

    Heinlein was mentioned, but his works had that self-awareness that too many other pieces of tainted literature don't.
    Right Right Right. I don't mind when there is a left or right leaning message to something, as long as it doesn't ruin the story. For instance on the Television show Banshee, there is a homosexual/tranny character named Job. He is absolutely my favorite character of the show. There is no "message" about him or his lifestyle. His character, his actions, his very identity isn't defined by those things. He just exists on the show as is; and what he is is never even brought up. He's never reduced to a stereotype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Mars View Post
    Back in the day we read Robert Heinlein books that had a strong conservative message that was pro-traditional family and pro-military and such and somehow when we read it we simply enjoyed the story (or didn't) and then went off and read something else (or watched something else, as the case may be).

    Today, however, we have you, Zavon, who is such a delicate flower that you have to cry like a little child with a wet diaper every time something comes along that triggers your sensitive nature and thus you weep and cry and complain constantly and endlessly.

    I have read things that are left leaning and right leaning, I read authors from other periods of history that held opinions that are dated and in some cases unpleasant, but I never feel the need to run around whining in a loud voice about how offended I am (if, in fact, I am offended at all).

    You, and your ilk, are no different than those idiot college students I read about who whine about trigger words and need safe spaces to hide from the world in case they perceive something that might ruffle their feathers.

    At one time that I personally recall most of the available entertainment supported your political ideology. Now it doesn't. Deal with it or whine like a little child, but bear in mind that no one cares.
    That's where you're wrong on several accounts slick. In the past entertainment didn't support or reflect anyones political ideology, it supported what was RIGHT. Not right in an ethical sense, not right in a morale or religious sense but in the CORRECT sense. Like the correct, functional, efficient and effective way of doing things. Like male and female mating pairs. Like the "nuclear" family which is the most effective at child rearing and propagating the species. Watering down white genetics with the weaker minority shit that is plaguing our planet is NOT the effective way of doing things. Homosexuals are the most dangerous thing civilization faces today, not North Korea, not even Islam, but homos. They are degenerates that are hell bent on destroying the family unit and on pushing for the legalization and acceptance of p3d0phili@. Because they are perverts by default. Also, I do care. Zavon has his head on straight, he's concerned about his family, concerned about the direction the civilization his family lives in is headed and that makes him a logical, sound and cautious thinker. Instead of like some hippy or college retard that jump up and runs to everything new to embrace it with open arms only to find out it's a porcupine after it's too late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sillywilly View Post
    That's where you're wrong on several accounts slick. In the past entertainment didn't support or reflect anyones political ideology, it supported what was RIGHT. Not right in an ethical sense, not right in a morale or religious sense but in the CORRECT sense. Like the correct, functional, efficient and effective way of doing things. Like male and female mating pairs. Like the "nuclear" family which is the most effective at child rearing and propagating the species. Watering down white genetics with the weaker minority shit that is plaguing our planet is NOT the effective way of doing things. Homosexuals are the most dangerous thing civilization faces today, not North Korea, not even Islam, but homos. They are degenerates that are hell bent on destroying the family unit and on pushing for the legalization and acceptance of p3d0phili@. Because they are perverts by default. Also, I do care. Zavon has his head on straight, he's concerned about his family, concerned about the direction the civilization his family lives in is headed and that makes him a logical, sound and cautious thinker. Instead of like some hippy or college retard that jump up and runs to everything new to embrace it with open arms only to find out it's a porcupine after it's too late.
    No, Zavon explained better with M support. You're just suggesting that there is only one correct way, or one correct message. So, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyrrhus View Post
    No, Zavon explained better with M support. You're just suggesting that there is only one correct way, or one correct message. So, no.
    On a personal level, I agree with most of what he said. But, like with Job above, I can try to look past my own bias to give the art a chance, ya know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zavon View Post
    False Dichotomy broseph. I don't want any political message left leaning or right. I just want a good story, not some hard handed message underlying everything.

    Ironically, the only one here that looks triggered is you, acting like a huge faggot as usual.
    Everything has an implicit political message, even if that is simply the support of the status quo.

    You constantly keep coming here to complain about some form of entertainment that has some perspective you disagree with. It's like you live to be offended so you can tell people about it.
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    I'm with alex generally on this one. I know you're really coming here to get M, A, and Silly's similar opinions but really, as I've mentioned before in this line of discussion, it's going to be a reflection of the 'creator'(and producers) and since so many in Hollywood/Media as M likes to remind us are g()ys this is going to continuously crop up until we educate kids that being artistic doesn't make you a faggot. You can be a conservative artists, or a fascist artist, or a communist artist, blah blah. You'll see the swath of 'faggotry' in art that you see when people are discouraged from engaging in it because it's 'too feminine' 'too nerdy' blah blah blah.

    Atlas Shrugged is a great example that M used. The story itself begins off pretty great, a female protagonist rising to fight the 'evil corrupt socialists' who are attempting to nationalize markets around the world. It slowly turns into a somewhat religious document about capitalism and how it is supposedly infallible. There's a section that is literally a sermon as John Galt goes on the radio/broadcast with some extremely long monologue about it. I still liked the book but the pushiness of the ideology behind it left a somewhat bad taste, basically pushing me to explore more about 'real socialism'(no real scotsman, lul).

    Anyways, I don't watch as many TV shows as you clearly, so I am not inundated by the whims of mass media writers, so no I don't notice it or become as upset about it as you do. In all honesty the allure of some of the TV I do watch (reality competition shows, Master Chef, Forged in Fire, DWTS(wifey), etc) is that there is no real 'plot' for them to convey propaganda, just people being people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyrrhus View Post
    No, Zavon explained better with M support. You're just suggesting that there is only one correct way, or one correct message. So, no.
    For the most part that is absolutely true. There is almost always a best or most effective way. I also think it's no small coincidence that the assholes that have been pushing the homo/etc onto the population has come out as the most sexual corrupt industry here lately. (not counting prostitution / human trafficking as an industry). I mean were these fuckers really going to come out against homos when they're trying to forcibly bed 15 year old girls? And are the girls going to come out against the homo, abstinence, etc when they were fucking old fat guys just to get a part in a movie? Full circle is what Hollywood and it's support of ILGAP whatever is what has happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Mars View Post
    Everything has an implicit political message, even if that is simply the support of the status quo.

    You constantly keep coming here to complain about some form of entertainment that has some perspective you disagree with. It's like you live to be offended so you can tell people about it.
    Nigger are you retarded or just can't read? The implicit message is fine, regardless of political purview, as long as it doesn't ruin the art.


    Quote Originally Posted by Pyhurrurusus
    'm with alex generally on this one. I know you're really coming here to get M, A, and Silly's similar opinions but really, as I've mentioned before in this line of discussion....




    I post stuff like this here to open up a discussion. I know most of us all have defined lines that we view each other under, but I'm not here for a circle jerk. I don't care that Alex came in here queefing his retarded theories like a professional west hollywood blow job artist. VK could come here tomorrow and say, "Hey Zav I totally disagree with your assessment of the Godless. Also I ate chinese food LMAO SUCKER." That's fine too.

    I still ended up finishing the series, in spite of my earlier disillusion with it. It wrapped up nicely, despite the heavy leftist pushing in the beginning. They sort of strayed away from it for the last few episodes.

    The actors were great and the main story was strong. The show could have cut all the leftist bullshit out, been two episodes shorter and been a solid 4/5. With all that shit I give it a 2.3/5.
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    I'm with ya, nobody expects writers somehow dissociate themselves from their own world view to write fiction, but when the injection of ideology is overpowering to the point of feeling like it's trying to propagandize you, it is shit. When the writer is trying too hard to push what they want that it completely breaks suspension of disbelief, it's shit.

    Basically shit needs a sanity check. The primary objective of good "entertainment" should be to entertain. When an agenda is pushed so heavily it derails the narrative it's no longer good entertainment. It's mediocre at best. Whether I agree with the message or not I don't like being preached at. Sitting down to be entertained I don't want to be treated as the sinner or the choir. I just want to have fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marou View Post
    I'm with ya, nobody expects writers somehow dissociate themselves from their own world view to write fiction, but when the injection of ideology is overpowering to the point of feeling like it's trying to propagandize you, it is shit. When the writer is trying too hard to push what they want that it completely breaks suspension of disbelief, it's shit.

    Basically shit needs a sanity check. The primary objective of good "entertainment" should be to entertain. When an agenda is pushed so heavily it derails the narrative it's no longer good entertainment. It's mediocre at best. Whether I agree with the message or not I don't like being preached at. Sitting down to be entertained I don't want to be treated as the sinner or the choir. I just want to have fun.
    Yeah, and the thing that I don't like (despite being accused of being upset here in this thread, I'm not really) is that it masquerades as something else. The movie, "God's not dead", I'd never watch that. I know it is propaganda from the outset, and it doesn't try to really hide it-- even though I do personally think supporting the Christian right is the right thing to do. I want to escape reality and all the real world bullshit, not find gay politics in a civil war era western.
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