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    Quote Originally Posted by Zavon View Post
    Yeah, I saw Sargon of Cuckad got removed on Kotakuinaction.
    People call him Soygon now, get with the times.

    You know a ton of alt right want a Romanish society? I find quite a few of the alt right to be slightly disingenuous when asked how an ethno government work, because they tip toe around saying no democracy to very little of it. Just come out and say it dudes.
    In this world is the destiny of mankind controlled by some transcendental entity or law? Is it like the hand of god hovering from above? Perhaps men have no control even over their own will.

    You're right, we are mortal and fragile. But even if we are tortured or wounded, we'll fight to survive. You should feel the pain we feel and understand. I am the messenger that will deliver you to that pain and understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zavon View Post
    I think historically America was not so different from the Roman empire, and I feel as though we should go back to that. Not so much authoritarian as just making the rule of fucking law sacred. The fact that we have governors and mayors in cities protecting illegal forigen nationals? If it were up to me the US Army would have already invaded those cities and put everyone to the bullet. They are treasonous cunts that should be treated as such.

    I'd feel the same way if it were white skinned Canadians doing the same shit as the illegal Mexicans.
    With regards to shitty whites, I believe the saying goes, "traitors get the rope first".

    In my opinion the rot is far too deep to return to a bygone day. Functionally we'll eventually become South Africa if the country somehow holds together over the next 35 years. So, I'll ask you the question the Sargon type folks are incapable of answering, because I believe the people on these boards are actually more intelligent than the internet "skeptic" community.

    1) What is the path forward that leads to a good outcome for your children and grandchildren?
    2) Can it be implemented fully before the tipping point is hit in the next 7-12 years?
    "The argument that “people now have more freedom than ever” is based on the fact that we are allowed to do almost anything we please as long as it has no practical consequences."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marou View Post
    With regards to shitty whites, I believe the saying goes, "traitors get the rope first".

    In my opinion the rot is far too deep to return to a bygone day. Functionally we'll eventually become South Africa if the country somehow holds together over the next 35 years. So, I'll ask you the question the Sargon type folks are incapable of answering, because I believe the people on these boards are actually more intelligent than the internet "skeptic" community.

    1) What is the path forward that leads to a good outcome for your children and grandchildren?
    2) Can it be implemented fully before the tipping point is hit in the next 7-12 years?
    I fear you are right. We became lax with out laws, and our values; the only correction is an extreme reaction... Whatever form it takes.
    "Doubt is not an agreeable condition, but certainty is an absurd one." ~ Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zavon View Post
    I fear you are right. We became lax with out laws, and our values; the only correction is an extreme reaction... Whatever form it takes.
    This is way too honest for most civic nationalists. Making fun of blue haired Tumblerinas on YouTube is fun for awhile, but it doesn't fix anything, or even slow it down.

    There are no political solutions, it's too far gone. So, the best way forward is to build movements that are prepared to bring will to power as the American empire crumbles. The alt-right is the only movement even acknowledging reality. The insane convolutions people go through confuse the hell out of me. Wanting to carve a white ethnostate out of the balkanized remains of the US empire is a much more obtainable reality than convincing ever increasing numbers of non-whites immigrants to adopt white cultural values, reject marxism, stop committing so many crimes, and stop voting along racial lines.
    "The argument that “people now have more freedom than ever” is based on the fact that we are allowed to do almost anything we please as long as it has no practical consequences."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marou View Post
    This is way too honest for most civic nationalists. Making fun of blue haired Tumblerinas on YouTube is fun for awhile, but it doesn't fix anything, or even slow it down.

    There are no political solutions, it's too far gone. So, the best way forward is to build movements that are prepared to bring will to power as the American empire crumbles. The alt-right is the only movement even acknowledging reality. The insane convolutions people go through confuse the hell out of me. Wanting to carve a white ethnostate out of the balkanized remains of the US empire is a much more obtainable reality than convincing ever increasing numbers of non-whites immigrants to adopt white cultural values, reject marxism, stop committing so many crimes, and stop voting along racial lines.
    People either forget or don't know that America was founded by violence. America has worked and thrived because it believed in Manifest Destiny. I don't know where people learned to fear violence, because from where I'm standing we've always taken everything with the bullet.
    "Doubt is not an agreeable condition, but certainty is an absurd one." ~ Voltaire

    "I do think that most atheists are fat out of shape faggots that would be ok with other men shagging their women. The few that can actually get a woman. General failures at life in every regard. " Zavon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zavon View Post
    People either forget or don't know that America was founded by violence. America has worked and thrived because it believed in Manifest Destiny. I don't know where people learned to fear violence, because from where I'm standing we've always taken everything with the bullet.
    I agree. So, what do civic nationalists do? Suck it up and act like white nationalists when the time comes? Sit passively as society degenerates?

    I think this is why the skeptic community and civic nationalists have only succeeded in acting as a one-way gateway to the alt-right. There are no solutions proposed, and the only things I've heard people suggest in hypothetical form are far more authoritarian and brutal than anything the alt-right wants to do.

    If I could think of any way civic nationalism was a pragmatic way forward I'd be interested.

    I believe this is why WN 2.0 is so much less hateful than WN 1.0. It's not filled with angry "string up the nigger" people. Sure, those people exist, but it's primary demographic are those that accept that this is the best logical way things can work out, even if they aren't enamored with the implications.
    "The argument that “people now have more freedom than ever” is based on the fact that we are allowed to do almost anything we please as long as it has no practical consequences."

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    I still don't understand how this comes to blows in your minds. Dreamers aren't here to kill whitey, they want to work in peace and raise a family. Muslims aren't here to kill whitey, they want to work in peace and raise a family. The people fucking with you are few and far between, but hold power. If I let my imagination go wild on this subject I come to assassinations, sabotage and some Tom Clancy shit not race war. Blacks don't have the numbers for a South Africa situation. Maybe like a Ukraine type situation with Mexico?


    Quote Originally Posted by Marou View Post
    So, what do civic nationalists do? Suck it up and act like white nationalists when the time comes? Sit passively as society degenerates?
    Am I a "civic nationalist" or a "shitty white"?

    If I knew I wouldn't be killed I wouldn't mind going to a white nationalist state run on conservative values, but I come from near Baltimore, my last name sounds maybe-Jewish and I have black hair and a big nose. I'd have to be pretty careful about it...
    Nowadays when people start to get killed by fireballs, no one says they need to dodge the fireball anymore; they say they need to go get a fire resist ring and some ice damage so they don't have to.

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    Answer the questions Aeinna asked, you jumped deep into my discussion with Zavon.
    "The argument that “people now have more freedom than ever” is based on the fact that we are allowed to do almost anything we please as long as it has no practical consequences."

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    He doesn't have to answer now, because he already did. He told me everything with his post and yeah... at this point all I can do is shrug.
    In this world is the destiny of mankind controlled by some transcendental entity or law? Is it like the hand of god hovering from above? Perhaps men have no control even over their own will.

    You're right, we are mortal and fragile. But even if we are tortured or wounded, we'll fight to survive. You should feel the pain we feel and understand. I am the messenger that will deliver you to that pain and understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeinna View Post
    Honest questions to VK that I would have liked ethno nationalists to ask civic nationalists when they interview each other. Let us say in 10 to 15 years there is balkinization. You have a white, black and multicultural state. We known that ethno states work and have yet to see multiculturalism work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeinna View Post
    2. If history repeats itself, the multicultural state will fall apart or may not even be stable to begin with. If you went there, would you stay if it was what history says it will be?
    Going to take a more realistic approach to #2. Being in MD I'd probably start in the multicultural state and being a guy with a big nose and a maybe-Jewish German last name I don't know that I'd get into a white state or be safe there. I would probably pay attention and wait for a time when they were accepting people. Some kind of entrance/immigration form. Be honest and up front, let them see who I am. Make sure I have some paperwork and stamp of acceptance that I'm not going to be turned on later. Probably worth getting a DNA test ahead of time too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aeinna View Post
    3. Will you blame the white ethno state if it happens?
    If they just go to shit then no. Natural law is the center of all this for me. If you start taking people's shit or disarming them or molesting them, or silencing them because you think you have a great reason, tomorrow some other fuck is going to do the same to you. Everyone thinks they have a great reason. That's the whole problem. That's why you need the bill of rights to stand. If they fold on the bill of rights and their country turns into disarmed, molested, silenced people stealing eachother's shit then they have no one to blame but themselves.

    OTOH... If we're saying "fuck them" they're not white and allowing something terrible to happen, a drought while we control a dam for example, then it's our fault and I will call it morally wrong because it is. If they're starving and we have tons of food I expect us to send what we can, not because of socialism but because of decency. If they demand it or demand more or try to take from us, going back to the above, then we tell them to piss off and we defend our borders. It's sad but it's their own fault and we didn't choose their fates.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aeinna View Post
    4. Do you think people who are not for the ethno state should be allowed in if they want to not only not have one but try to fight for multiculturalism?
    I'm for the free exchange of ideas and free speech and I think the multicultural neighbor state would be a hot topic with people on all sides of the debate about what was going on, how the old America could have been done better or worked and what went wrong. I don't think you should kick anyone out or filter people by their opinions.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aeinna View Post
    I am honestly curious. I am not poking fun at you or calling you a libtard. The interviews/debates between ethno and civic nationalists seem to always revolve around how you can do ethno states and be humane, how would the government be formed, what type of government. Nothing is ever talked about how if there is a break off, how would people who do not hold ethno views act or what they would do or even what the ethno state do with people who hold views that go against what they have formed.
    Well that's happening because it's not really an ethnostate. Imagine being in the 1700's assking Italians, French, British, Irish, Scandinavians, Romanians, Germans, Russians and god knows what else with light skin and round eyes to form a "white state". Your ass would be the multiculturalist. We're not REALLY talking about an ethnostate here, or you wouldn't need questions like these to sort out which white people to take or leave. We're talking about a "not-those-guys-who-are-fucking-it-up state" to maintain what can be measured and demonstrated as the best value system the human race has been able to forge.

    At the end of the day that's the real goal and it's very straightforward from there, at least to me. You get control of your borders, carefully craft a new constitution for America 2.0 based on what we learned from 1.0 and you shut the gates for 3-4 generations so everything is well established and proven to work. Then you have controlled immigration of people who want to leave their baggage at the door and be Americans. If science says there's a maximum melanin level for that then so be it, but I doubt it and it won't matter in my lifetime during the first two generations of closed gates so I'm not sweating it. If whites take the lead (again) then kudos. If other "races" nope out then sucks for them.
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    Well, thanks for answering, both you and Zav have been better at this than the guys who are going on debate shows or being interviewed. I wish I could find the jokes made about soygon after his debate with Richard Spencer, when all this was beginning to be really talked about between the different schools of opinions.
    In this world is the destiny of mankind controlled by some transcendental entity or law? Is it like the hand of god hovering from above? Perhaps men have no control even over their own will.

    You're right, we are mortal and fragile. But even if we are tortured or wounded, we'll fight to survive. You should feel the pain we feel and understand. I am the messenger that will deliver you to that pain and understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeinna View Post
    Well, thanks for answering, both you and Zav have been better at this than the guys who are going on debate shows or being interviewed. I wish I could find the jokes made about soygon after his debate with Richard Spencer, when all this was beginning to be really talked about between the different schools of opinions.

    Honestly I don't really pay attention to the whole Skeptics stuff too much (outside of something from kotakuinaction occasionally). I have no time for philosophy, that shit is simply gay.
    "Doubt is not an agreeable condition, but certainty is an absurd one." ~ Voltaire

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    Why do dogs feel the need to attack a vacuum cleaner? I've been vacuuming around you for 5 years, like whut is your problem?

    If you whipped out a vacuum cleaner in Africa, around the tribal areas, would they do that?

    Sorry... that was rude.
    In this world is the destiny of mankind controlled by some transcendental entity or law? Is it like the hand of god hovering from above? Perhaps men have no control even over their own will.

    You're right, we are mortal and fragile. But even if we are tortured or wounded, we'll fight to survive. You should feel the pain we feel and understand. I am the messenger that will deliver you to that pain and understanding.

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    Internet Bloodsports was pretty fantastic today. It's a long debate, but good quality. If you need something to listen to while you're doing other things, here ya go.

    "The argument that “people now have more freedom than ever” is based on the fact that we are allowed to do almost anything we please as long as it has no practical consequences."

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    I can't stand that (((fat fuck))) Halsey. He is a disingenuous lying twat. All he can do is either make shit up or twist stuff to suit his needs, like the people listening to him are not smart enough to know what he is doing. He uses personal insults like that is how you win a debate. What he did with Mike Enoch was fucking ridiculous and he should have been kicked from his first debate and never allowed back.

    And the sunglasses, really? Cunt.

    Surprisingly, Patrick (David Dukes partner who went on the show) was good and very very sneaky. I don't think he is lying about how he feels but there is no denying that is a very smart stance to have.
    In this world is the destiny of mankind controlled by some transcendental entity or law? Is it like the hand of god hovering from above? Perhaps men have no control even over their own will.

    You're right, we are mortal and fragile. But even if we are tortured or wounded, we'll fight to survive. You should feel the pain we feel and understand. I am the messenger that will deliver you to that pain and understanding.

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    The coming controversy over admitting white refugees from South Africa
    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...th_africa.html
    "The argument that “people now have more freedom than ever” is based on the fact that we are allowed to do almost anything we please as long as it has no practical consequences."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marou View Post
    The coming controversy over admitting white refugees from South Africa
    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...th_africa.html
    I wish we could take all the Whites from South Africa and move them into some shithole like Detroit, along with a bunch of stimulus packages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zavon View Post
    I wish we could take all the Whites from South Africa and move them into some shithole like Detroit, along with a bunch of stimulus packages.
    Who can we propose this to as a longitudinal study?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyrrhus View Post
    Who can we propose this to as a longitudinal study?
    Yeah it would be interesting, but we all know that it would likely be successful.


    "Doubt is not an agreeable condition, but certainty is an absurd one." ~ Voltaire

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    This quote made me laugh.

    "The argument that “people now have more freedom than ever” is based on the fact that we are allowed to do almost anything we please as long as it has no practical consequences."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marou View Post
    This quote made me laugh.

    Ironically, I feel the same way about him. But he already got his. And he did Nazi it coming
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    'Stop Blaming White People' sign at post office draws ire, prompts investigation
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/04...stigation.html
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    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b089ec353a1fba

    After all the education/university related posts you guys have made, I find stuff like this really disturbing. Blatant double standard, and worse since she wasn't actually putting it into her classroom. It's frustrating to know that people like the huff post and some of it's readers would probably have me fired and call me a white supremacist/nationalist, even after years arguing here.

    And further, they must be aware that they're driving the wedge deeper with enemy-of-my-enemy recruitment. If I lost my job tomorrow and everywhere I went was told I was some kind of Nazi, who do you suppose would be left for me to go work with? If my neighbors in my multicultural neighborhood suddenly hated me, what kind of neighborhood do you suppose I'd have to move to?
    Last edited by VKhaun; 03-04-2018 at 04:25 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VKhaun View Post
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b089ec353a1fba

    After all the education/university related posts you guys have made, I find stuff like this really disturbing. Blatant double standard, and worse since she wasn't actually putting it into her classroom. It's frustrating to know that people like the huff post and some of it's readers would probably have me fired and call me a white supremacist/nationalist, even after years arguing here.

    And further, they must be aware that they're driving the wedge deeper with enemy-of-my-enemy recruitment. If I lost my job tomorrow and everywhere I went was told I was some kind of Nazi, who do you suppose would be left for me to go work with? If my neighbors in my multicultural neighborhood suddenly hated me, what kind of neighborhood do you suppose I'd have to move to?
    Don't push that big red button.

    Why?

    Because you will under go a magical school girl transformation and become a super nazi.

    Anyway, they use the fear of social stigma and moral guilt to keep people on their side. Eventually people realize its all bullshit, but it is usually the ones being stepped on that rebel against the strict parent. Let them keep on, keeping on, see where it gets them because in the end, even if they win, they lose.
    In this world is the destiny of mankind controlled by some transcendental entity or law? Is it like the hand of god hovering from above? Perhaps men have no control even over their own will.

    You're right, we are mortal and fragile. But even if we are tortured or wounded, we'll fight to survive. You should feel the pain we feel and understand. I am the messenger that will deliver you to that pain and understanding.

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    The ADL is building a new super-censorship doom lazer right now. They have never been anything more than a Doxxing/get people fired organization. We're headed for fun times.

    https://gab.ai/FrameGames/posts/20983712

    Once that shit goes live fully I expect good things.

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